Fear, Surveillance And Why Fighting For Free Speech Is A Funny Business
“The terror attacks in Paris that have killed 17 people over three days this week represent one of the worst fears—and failures—of counterterrorist officials: a successful plot coordinated by people who had once been under surveillance but who were later dropped as a top priority.
The U.S. provided France with intelligence showing that the gunmen in the Charlie Hebdo massacre received training in Yemen in 2011, prompting French authorities to begin monitoring the two brothers, according to U.S. officials.
But that surveillance of Said and Chérif Kouachi came to an end last spring, U.S. officials said, after several years of monitoring turned up nothing suspicious.“* John Iadarola (TYT University), Dave Rubin (Rubin Report), Jimmy Dore (The Jimmy Dore Show) and Ben Mankiewicz break it down.
*Read more here:
http://www.wsj.com/articles/kouachis-links-to-yemen-overlooked-by-french-intelligence-1420837677
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January 11, 2015 @ 6:05 pm
america hasnt got the balls to show ‘mohammed’ in a cartoon. even south
park wouldnt do it
January 11, 2015 @ 6:07 pm
*France is fucked. They’re completely undermined by radical Islam, the
whole society is basically kaputt because France failed to assimilate
Muslims. Now they’re paying the price for their leftist multicultural
nonsense.*
January 11, 2015 @ 6:10 pm
Arm yourselves. Maintain your health.
Adopt a mindset of survival and learn the techniques to do so.
January 11, 2015 @ 6:12 pm
Can someone please explain this to me. I’m not into politics that much but
I have common sense.
12 grown up men die and the whole France and the world goes insane, yet
2000 kids and women die in Africa and no one gives a fuck.
What the fuck is wrong with this
January 11, 2015 @ 6:12 pm
Islam is the region of “peace” give me a fucking break hahaha.
January 11, 2015 @ 6:13 pm
The French police did the right thing in murdering those dogs. America
needs to find the balls to be like the French instead of wasting out tax
money to pay for criminals whom have murdered and Raped other people
January 11, 2015 @ 6:15 pm
The right wing is radical Islam same book same fictional characters
different names …king james version is like the fucked sequel that
shouldn’t have happened
January 11, 2015 @ 6:19 pm
So if everything is protected by freedom of speech (as if there isn;t the
balance of burden of proof – the check and balance that current-day
Americans ignore), then why can’t Muslims force their tyrannical bullshit
on people like American Conservatives do?
If the USA can go to the Middle East, set up military bases and freely
occupy oil rich societies, killing thousands (at least) of innocent people,
then why can’t other people do the same, even tyrannical Muslims?
Aren’t they just protecting their “freedom of speech” the same way American
Conservatives are protecting theirs?
Americans kill and terrorize more people than Muslims.
Americans need to go back to being Enlightened and Secular people of reason
rather than being more militarized, tyrannical and brutal than the other
tyrants, but in the name of some other fucking dopey god…and profit, of
course.
January 11, 2015 @ 6:33 pm
Jimmy, it’s not being laughed at that makes Muslim extremists angry – it’s
having their Gods and holy figures ridiculed. When they come for you, and
you stand their laughing, they’ll be grinning right back as they slaughter
you. If you really want to piss them off, I suggest wiping your ass with
pages of the Qu’Aran whilst pissing on images of Muhammad.
January 11, 2015 @ 6:36 pm
I am surprised that the French people did not turn to violence themselves
and burn a few mosques or kill a few innocent muslims. My hats off to them
but I do not believe that would be the case in America. I say that as an
American.
January 11, 2015 @ 6:40 pm
Conservatives and Liberals seem to intersect on this matter and for
different reasons…Conservatives generally hate Islam because they love
lumping things together (terrorism, immigration and middle eastern
politics) and the Liberals are all for free speech and many of them are
atheists who really don’t give a fuck about religion in the first place.
However, no one seems to understand the side of Muslims in Europe who have
to face racism and Islamophobia on a greater scale than what is experienced
in the US.
January 11, 2015 @ 6:51 pm
Racism will only bring more terror… if racism grows so will the
terrorists because the moderate muslims will get blamed for it they will
feel outcasts and when that happens they will clinch more and more with
their own culture/religion and because of that they will become more
radical….
If just the dumb racist anti muslim people would know this…
January 11, 2015 @ 7:02 pm
Whites don’t need god or religion to commit genocide for example
January 11, 2015 @ 7:14 pm
I think they are backing off because of the nature of the actual cartoons.
Instead of making fun of the powerful, they shit all over the least
powerful in society. I looked at the actual cartoons, and it was like “you
died for THIS”? There was one in particular, where it was “wear your burqua
on the inside”, with a naked woman running around with it stuffed up her
ass. Not clever, not insightful, not very funny. Mostly because it makes
fun of some of the most downtrodden people in society: Poor undereducated
immigrant muslims women.
January 11, 2015 @ 7:24 pm
Um, yeah that stuff was satire, just like tar baby comics, and minstrel
shows, those were satire… It’s fun to create satires of different races,
religions, sexual orientations… hooknose Jew, the hairy disgusting dirty
Arab, it’s all good. Not saying that should be illegal, there shouldn’t be
censorship, but that shit is racist –you can’t be afraid to call it out…
January 11, 2015 @ 7:33 pm
As a muslim. I would still maintain that Jimmy’s point is not a very good
one.
He says freedom of speech is freedom of speech. He’s right. Ben agrees,
Ben’s point is still different. His point is that most muslims still find
depicting the Prophet (S) offensive while the paper has the right to depict
the Prophet (S) they shouldn’t as most muslims find it offensive. Likewise
Jews find it offence when Austwichs is glorified in Charli Hebdo.
Now as for myself. I don’t even look at these so called depictions and nor
will I nor do I care.
Jimmy is like a child here. When someone is indifferent they don’t really
care and Jimmy obviously cares and that’s why he’s well sort of offended
here. He can laugh all he wants, I’m laughing at him cause of his
emotionalism. I honestly don’t understand how anyone could want to work in
Charli Hebdo even if yiu wanna make fun of muslims or jews or christians,
etc.
I may be muslim but no I would not draw anti semitic cartoons which
glorifies concentration camps. I would not draw pictures of muslims being
beheaded. I would not slap the victims of an oppressive regime who were
murdered in cold blood in their faces. I can’t see how anyone can stand for
Charli Hebdo.
Charli Hebdo is a vile piece of trash. I would never defend them. I would
however defend their journalists right to life. That’s all I would defend
and if “Freedom of Speech” means joking about the slaughter of 6 million
jews and concentration camps – I can no longer be for it. Other people are
welcome to believe in freedom of speech but I can’t defend it. I will
reiterate though that the journalist were unjustly murdered in cold blood
and I defend their right to life.
January 11, 2015 @ 7:46 pm
Muslins = FREAK’S . free speech = ” DEATH” in there “CREEPY ” world !!
January 11, 2015 @ 7:58 pm
Let me make this clear. The satirical cartoon was inflammatory and in
insulting; just like the movie “The Interview.” However poor taste and
insults are fair game. They are legal and we all have the right to avert
our heads or criticize them at will. NOTHING justifies a violent act. To
say that anybody brought on what happened at Charlie is ludicrous.
January 11, 2015 @ 8:06 pm
When taking the recent anti-Muslim attacks that happened in France against
completely innocent Muslim people, and also taking into account that their
religion had just been mocked, give me 5 good reasons why those once
peaceful Muslims won’t believe that the world does indeed hate them and
wants them gone? If they believe that, how easy is it for them to commit
more terrorist attacks? And speaking of terrorist attacks, aren’t the
islamophobic attacks also considered terrorist attacks? Or is it only a
terrorist attack when a Muslim does it… Go figure.
January 11, 2015 @ 8:15 pm
Hello TYT fans. You may know me as the guy who has, over the last few
weeks, posted disrespectful and borderline hateful things about the
religion of Islam. I am posting this today to say that I was wrong. I have
met a Muslim and he has moved me. I finally now see the kindness and
respect most Muslims have in their hearts and how the vast majority wish to
do no harm to us or our way of life. Those that use a twisted
interpretation of the otherwise peaceful teachings of Islam are not Muslim,
in the exact same way the KKK are not Christian. I apologize to any and all
Muslims I may have offended. God (or Allah, I guess) bless your hearts.
January 11, 2015 @ 9:25 pm
I spy a lot of TYTrolls, including in the video itself!
January 11, 2015 @ 10:59 pm
I wonder why no one is talking about the islamist killings of 2000 kids in
Nigeria..its sad but the world implicitly values western lives over eastern
lives, most people just aren’t willing to say it out loud
January 12, 2015 @ 12:37 am
muslims arent crazy. I mean we see Buddhists do this all the time
wait we never see them do this
January 12, 2015 @ 12:54 am
As a Muslim let me just say that I don’t give a fuck about the cartoons, as
most Muslims don’t either. So show ’em already! Yes, they’re offensive,
but so fucking what? The more important things that I care about are, DON’T
fucking discriminate me from a job because my last name sounds Muslimish.
DON’T force me to go through 10 layers of security every time I get on an
airplane. DON’T tell my sisters or mother to get out of your country,
because they wear a Hijab. And DON’T expect me to apologize for every
goddamn depraved fanatics that does some horrible attack, my family and I
are as much at risk of dying from some attack as anyone else. So there, I
said my piece!
January 12, 2015 @ 8:40 am
Bilingual canadian here.
I read both french and anglosphere publications and I have seen this trend
of anglo publications backing off from the whole I am Charlie thing…
French publications (even outside of France) are much more
defiant/supportive. For example, the three biggest papers in Quebec got
together to release a special edition with many Charlie Hebdo caricatures a
few days after the events.
Make of that what you will.